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The NCAA had no business getting involved

  • This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    "The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    "The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.

    "This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."

    This post was edited by BamaKev34 on 7/23/2012 at 9:08 AM

    Penn State Nittany Lions hit with $60 million fine, 4-year bowl ban, wins dating to 1998 - ESPN

    The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization announced Monday morning in a news release.

    espn.go.com

    BamaKev34

  • Totally disagree.

    Someone had to punish. And this is the only way it was going to be done. That's mho.

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    BB2One

  • Penn st asked that the punishment be done this way.

    scottchap ●

  • BamaKev34 said...

    This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    "The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    The criminal behavior that was covered up was to protect there football program.

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    Bama Boz

  • I also disagree with the OP. Had to come from somewhere. 'Lack of institutional Control'

    MillerTime

  • If you can't see how this was directly because of Paterno and the football program then there is no use trying to discuss it with you.

    BamaTusks

  • Completely disagree.

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    ROLL TIDE!

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  • BamaKev34 said...

    This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    "The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    well, (a) the coach and admin allowed a rapist to continue using the showers after full knowledge of an alleged rape; (b) they did this to prevent bad press for the program. don't you think that qualifies as putting football beyond rules and, more importantly, basic "human decency?" The NCAA did more good today than any lawsuit will ever do to that university.

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    wbk

  • Classic lack of institutional control. Football program benefited from absence of adverse publicity.

    wishbonetider

  • MillerTime said...

    I also disagree with the OP. Had to come from somewhere. 'Lack of institutional Control'

    Or too much institutional control...

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  • scottchap said...

    Penn st asked that the punishment be done this way.

    This is something that I have been thinking about. If Penn St. was ready to accept this punishment then there must be something that they didn't want the NCAA coming in there and snooping around.

    This post was edited by Cunni035 on 7/23/2012 at 10:33 AM

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  • BamaKev34 said...

    This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    "The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    "The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.

    "This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."

    Bottom line is the school as an organization needs penalties. Who would handle that I dont know but it needed to be done. since it involved the football program I really don't have an issue with this even if it doesn't fall within the traditional boundaries of the ncaa enforcement arm.

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  • Thehit86 said...

    Bottom line is the school as an organization needs penalties. Who would handle that I dont know but it needed to be done. since it involved the football program I really don't have an issue with this even if it doesn't fall within the traditional boundaries of the ncaa enforcement arm.

    Why? Everyone involved is either dead or on their way to prison. Why does the rest of the school have to suffer? Ususally the NCAA hands out penalties to the school because they have no other means of handing out punishments (ie Reggie Bush and USC). Usually the infractions aren't criminal so the NCAA can only punish the institution because they don't have the ability to punish the individuals involved. In the Penn St case justice is being served by the legal system. Plus Penn St will pay hundreds of millions of dollars in civil law suits. Plus coach Paterno's legacy is ruined and his statued has been taken down. Plus he was fired. Plus he died. Plus the president is gone. Plus the vice president will be heading to prison. Plus the AD will be going to prison. Plus the schools reputation and history have been tarnished forever. i don't know what else people wanted. Why punish everyone who had nothing to do with when you don't have too because the legal system is punishing those involved. I just think they did for public perception and they've set a dangerous precendent for the NCAA.

    BamaKev34

  • Thehit86 said...

    Bottom line is the school as an organization needs penalties. Who would handle that I dont know but it needed to be done. since it involved the football program I really don't have an issue with this even if it doesn't fall within the traditional boundaries of the ncaa enforcement arm.

    The school is going to be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars. They are going to be punished on top of this.

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  • lfholland said...

    The school is going to be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars. They are going to be punished on top of this.

    And they should be.

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  • BamaKev34 said...

    This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    'The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera,' the chair said. 'This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with.'

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    'The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations,' the former chair said. 'This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.

    'This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care.'

    I agree because of the precedent it sets. No one should want Emmert to become Roger Goddell.

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  • BamaKev34 said...

    This is why.

    The chair said that the NCAA was dealing with a case that is outside the traditional rules or violations. He said this case does not fall within the basic fundamental purpose of NCAA regulations.

    "The purpose of the NCAA is to keep a level playing field among schools and to make sure they use proper methods through scholarships and etcetera," the chair said. "This is not a case that would normally go through the process. It has nothing to do with a level playing field. It has nothing to do with whether Penn State gets advantages over other schools in recruiting or in the number of coaches or things that we normally deal with."

    The NCAA, the chair said, had never gotten involved in punishing schools for criminal behavior.

    "The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations," the former chair said. "This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.

    "This is an important precedent. And it should be taken with extreme care."

    I can't agree in what your saying.....You have to hit the program when you have the 4 highest ranked people hide this not once, but twice from the police.

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  • bamatomntn said...

    I can't agree in what your saying.....You have to hit the program when you have the 4 highest ranked people hide this not once, but twice from the police.

    But all of those people are no longer associated with the program. Like Coach Saban said, punishing the current team doesn't make the situation any better- the current players had nothing to do with the actions of the perpetrators and these sanctions are only going to punish the current players.

    In addition, I do not agree one bit with the NCAA getting involved in criminal investigations that have nothing to do with football/recruiting. I totally understand the magnitude of what happened but I already don't agree with many of the NCAA's policies and this is a major overstep of their jurisdiction

    asb37 ●

  • The Bylaws say you are wrong. We were ALL wrong because I didn't think they had this much power either, but I was proven wrong today. They are well within their rights to do anything in relation to what constitutes in the bylaws. All legal and appropriate!

    "That's what people know us as..ya understand!"

    HeHateMe

  • bamatomntn said...

    I can't agree in what your saying.....You have to hit the program when you have the 4 highest ranked people hide this not once, but twice from the police.

    I do not disagree with the punishment as I absolutely believe PSU should be punished. However, whether or not PSU asked for it to be managed this way or not, I sincerely disagree with the way this judgement has been administered. The NCAA is circumventing their own processes and using a report that may or may not be completely accurate as to the dealings and interactions of all the parties involved to pass a judgement.

    The goal of the process should be to try and establish the truth and give all parties an opportunity to communicate their part of the story, appeal and ensure a fair punishment is administered. PSU may have asked for these sanctions but, in all honesty, that may be because there is a whole lot worse that went on that, if it did come to light, PSU actually might actually get much harsher penalties. What the NCAA are saying is they have enough information to make a unilateral decision which is an extremely dangerous precedent. Processes are in place to protect people from the whims of public opinion based upon limited information just as much as they are to administer punishment.

    I do not trust the NCAA and I do not like how this situation is being leveraged to suddenly give the them powers they were never meant to have. You have processes for a reason and you need to follow them specifically in situations like this, not because it's convenient, but because it's right. The next time the NCAA utilizes this new power of theirs it may not be in such a clear cut case and in a direction we agree.

    This post was edited by NorthWestTide on 7/23/2012 at 10:29 AM

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