BOL Round Table

^^^my point exactly. This season they are 40th with a team full of NBA players that was a preseason top 5 team. CMG consistently underachieves as a head coach.

CMG teams were also a lot more talented than CAG teams ( CMG could recruit)

CMG players: Dudley, Hays, Chuck Davis, Davidson, Hendrix, Mo Williams, K Winston, Grizzard, Wallace, Steele, Gee.

Some of this is CAGs fault, some bad luck, injuries, down instate talent, whatever you want to say, it is what it is.

Would Bama have more wins or less this year with CMG as our coach??

I just think and have been saying all along that if we had a couple of legitimate big guys, this would be a really good team and we wouldn't be having any of these discussions.

I really don't know why you're still trying to argue against facts, but here's some more for you.

Dudley, Hays (not recruited by CMG anyway), Mo, Grizzard, and Wallace were before Rivals..so I can't compare them. It's fair to say Mo and Wallace were both 5* guys.

Here are the more recent ones that you named as the stars of the CMG era:

Davis: 3*, 22nd PF
Davidson: 4*, 11th PF, 69th overall
Hendrix: 5*, 3rd PF, 9th overall
Winston: 4*, 5th SF
R. Steele: 5*, 4th PG, 24th overall
Gee: 4*, 10th SG, 33rd overall

Now here are some guys currently on the team:

A. Steele: 4*, 21st SG, 89th overall
Releford: 4*, 23rd PG, 90th overall
Cooper: 4*, 12th SG, 49th overall
Gueye: 4* JUCO, not incl in rankings
Jacobs: 4*, 12th C, 90th overall
Lacey: 5*, 6th SG, 24th overall
Randolph: 4*, 8th SG, 30th overall
Pollard: 5*, 7th SF, 22nd overall

And then Hale and Taylor are also both 4* and top 100 overall players.

Those lists look pretty similar to me, and I should point out all those CMG guys weren't playing together on the same team. If anything we have more "rivals talent" right now than we've ever had at once.

So I ask the question again: does Grant not know how to recruit (and just goes by Rivals rankings?), or does he not know how to develop and coach these guys up? It's one or the other, maybe some of both.

To answer your question about whether CMG or CAG would have more wins right now, I honestly don't know. And that's definitely a problem.

To be fair we need to let Grant's big men have a career before we start comparing them to the guys in Bama's past.

Davis scored 1 pt per game his freshman season, then 11 his sophomore, 14 his junior year and 16 his senior season.

Jermario 2 pts freshman, 7 pts sophomore, then 14 and 14 in junior and senior seasons.

To include them in a list then complain about big man play at this point is disregarding the facts that both of those guys had to develop in college first. Jacobs career isn't over. He is a sophomore. I don't see him becoming a 14 point per game guy but I didn't see that with Davidson either at this point in his career.

Everyone wants to make rash judgments on what's going on without giving the product time to develop. There hasn't been anyone come from this state since Grant has been at Bama that would be of the caliber of EDud, Jamychael Green or Hendrix who were all in state guys.

At this point Grant has recruited one big man bust in Gueye, a guy who is only a sophomore in Jacobs and a guy who was showing improvement before getting hurt in Engstrom. Big men take time to develop. They have to toughen and learn to play in what is a drastically different game than being in high school where they are a foot taller and 50 lbs heavier than their competition.

That is sort of why I am defending his player development. The players that posters on here are complaining about that haven't been developed are all Sophomores. Lets let them get through a couple of years before we say they are not being developed. Everyone gets spoiled and impatient and thinks anyone that we land (Pollard and T Lacey) that UK is also recruiting should be a one and done, bc that's what UK has produced as of late.