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What does nick need to do to be considered better than Paul?

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  • shawnboy said...

    CPB was 72-2 at Bryant Denny Stadium (unbelievable. Thats home field advantage) And was awarded the Medal of Freedom by Ronald Regan. His legacy is not only in highest regard for Bama, but college football as a whole.

    That record didn't include Birmingham games, where we played the toughest teams.

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  • jd24tide said...

    I think you have a good argument, but I'll go ahead and say he needs one more. I consider them about equal right now because, as you said, CNS has to deal with recruiting restrictions but he is still such a good recruiter/coach that every year we distance ourself a little bit more from the 2nd-best program in the country, even with all the built-in new rules to ensure parity. Bryant never had to deal with that and even if you firmly believe he would have been successful in any era (as I do), it's still speculation to think that Bryant would have done as well in the modern game as Saban has proven he can do. So I say if he gets one more he's better than CPB - really if he gets one more, especially this year, I will then begin to argue that he is the best coach in CFB history, because 4 out of 5 is the greatest accomplishment in CFB history, especially in the current NCAA.

    I saw somebody above mention that Bryant changed CFB. No doubt about that. But also consider this: would the SEC be on the different level that it is without Alabama being as good as we've been under Saban? Every year, SEC coaches get fired because the ADs know that their teams have no chance of competing with Alabama. That has caused the SEC to become the most dominant conference in CFB history. Never would have happened if Saban stayed in Miami. Let me ask you this: what did you think of the spread offense CUM ran at Florida in 2006? What about in 2009 with Tebow? What did you think of CUM then? What did you think of Tebow then? What did you think of the spread offense then, which had become the most prevalent type of offense in CFB nationally? And what do you think of it now that Saban has dominated it over and over again? I remember reading an article several years ago that posited that Urban Meyer was the next Bear Bryant. Saban chased him out of the conference and now he's beating up on high school teams in the midwest. I remember hearing that Tim Tebow was the best player in CFB history. Saban dominated him so badly he cried on national TV. I remember hearing that LSU 2011 was one of the best teams of all time. That's actually true, yet Saban still thrashed them in Nola, essentially a home game for them. I remember people saying Mack Brown was a competent coach and Texas a premier program. Neither have been the same since 1/7/09. And I remember when people said Notre Dame is back and CFB is about to change. Well, I'm pretty sure Lacy just ran over Teo for another TD. Do you remember how Michael Jordan used to destroy anyone who dared think they were better than him? Thats exactly what CNS does. So, yeah, maybe Bryant is a shade better now, but 1 more NC undoes that IMO. Either way, the two greatest coaches in CFB history both coached at Alabama, so that's pretty cool.

    Preach on reverend !!

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  • rolltide06 said...

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    What do other people think?

    I have no idea who this Paul person is you speak of. If you mean Coach Bryant, as someone else mentioned. To us older guys, no one will ever take the place of Coach Bryant. As for CNS, I would not trade him for any other Coach in the country. I have much respect for CNS and hope he retires at Alabama, which I expect him to do. RTR

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  • Imagine having 14 SEC titles today. How many NC's would that give you? I dunno but imo, you can only consider the competition of the day which means total NC's and SEC's. CPB had some things that were tougher like whites only during the 60's. If you don't think that made a difference just check out 1966. And how much better would those teams had been if we'd have the average number of blacks that northern teams had? You can only look at chips. 6 vs 4 NC's so far. CNS needs 3 to surpass.

    bamamba1989

  • Coach Bryant won national championships when all the great black players either went to all black schools or to schools in other regions of the country. No other coach did as much with this handicap. Also, Bama was robbed of several championships due to voting bias against southern schools which doesn't exist now. It is much easier to win championships now than then, because with the BCS, there are more opportunities to play for championships.

    jwood ●

  • rolltide06 said...

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    What do other people think?

    they both excel when their back is to the wall

    therealistjim

  • Redwoodforest said...

    For those that don't remember Coach Bryant, Coach Saban is likely already there. For those that lived through Coach Bryant's years, Coach Saban probably will never get there, regardless of what he does. Coach Saban is a great, great football coach. The best currently alive. Coach Bryant was a folk hero and a legend.

    This man knows what he is talking about.

    Crimson Duck

  • rolltide06 said...

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    What do other people think?

    He needs to rassle a big animal.

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  • erisabama said...

    Apples to Oranges IMHO...like comparing Tom Brady with Johnny Unitas....yeah it's football, but it's soooooo different. And one thing you must not forget---CNS owes much of his success to Coach Bryant. Bryant made Alabama what it is, and what Alabama is is what gives CNS and staff whatever they need and draws top talent to Alabama before they even talk to CNS...

    by that logic Shula and Dubose should have won national titles also

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  • I don't know what he needs to do in the public eye, but nick is a better coach than bear

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  • That is coach Bryant and coach Saban to you douche bag!!!!

    Learn to show the respect both deserved and try not to be so much of a punk.

    I think the question becomes which of the two would expose you first for gour poor form.

    I could go on, but maybe i will just stop now and shake my head in disgust.

    tidedoggy

  • tidedoggy said...

    That is coach Bryant and coach Saban to you douche bag!!!!

    Learn to show the respect both deserved and try not to be so much of a punk.

    I think the question becomes which of the two would expose you first for gour poor form.

    I could go on, but maybe i will just stop now and shake my head in disgust.

    Just take it easy champ... Why dont you stop talking for awhile... Maybe sit the next couple of plays out?

    faceman237

  • First, nice troll by the OP. That's what this thread is. Second, lot crappy parenting rearing its head ITT.

    Slinwin8773

  • Slinwin8773 said...

    First, nice troll by the OP. That's what this thread is. Second, lot crappy parenting rearing its head ITT.

    Clearly.

    "Son, you WILL grow up to put football coaches on a pedastal and worship their every move!. Now go to bed."

    Wait, what?

    IzzyStradlin

  • erisabama said...

    Apples to Oranges IMHO...like comparing Tom Brady with Johnny Unitas....yeah it's football, but it's soooooo different. And one thing you must not forget---CNS owes much of his success to Coach Bryant. Bryant made Alabama what it is, and what Alabama is is what gives CNS and staff whatever they need and draws top talent to Alabama before they even talk to CNS...

    Respectfully disagree. Saban is his own coach and does not owe all his success to Coach Bryant. He has restored a level of pride and respect which has not been seen since Coach Bryant. The playing field is much more level than it was in the 60s-70s. I am thankful to have both these coaches representing our program. We will always think of Coach Saban in the highest regard, but Bear Bryant is Alabama football.

    JB23BAMA

  • If this past season had been played under the standards of the 1960s:
    1) Notre Dame would have been undefeated because they wouldn't have played in a bowl game.
    2) Oregon would have been undefeated because there would have been no overtime. Oregon would not have played in a bowl game because they had played in the Rose Bowl the year before. For most of the 1960s (and into the 1970s), the only teams in the Big Ten and Pac 8 who could participate in a bowl game were the ones in the Rose Bowl.

    In 2011, under the conditions of college football in the 1960s, LSU would have been able to avoid replaying Alabama in the bowl game. (Actually, having thought about it, Oklahoma State would have been undefeated, since their loss came in an overtime game.)

    In 2009, under the 1960s conditions, there would have been no conference championship games. Florida could have chosen to play Texas in their bowl game, leaving Alabama in the cold.

    Turning it around, Alabama most likely wouldn't have made it to a BCS championship game in 1965 with three teams ahead of them in the polls. The 1964 championship wouldn't have stood because of the loss to Texas in the bowl game. (Of course, they would have played undefeated Arkansas in the title game, not Texas.)

    These are just a few of the most obvious differences between the two eras that would have significantly impacted the success of the two coaches. It's an impossible comparison to make.

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  • IzzyStradlin said...

    Clearly.

    "Son, you WILL grow up to put football coaches on a pedastal and worship their every move!. Now go to bed."

    Wait, what?

    Not even slightly surprised you don't get it.

    Slinwin8773

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