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a thought on the Wonderlic...

  • bhiley77 said...

    If I were entering the combine, I'd start a trend by refusing to take the Wonderlick. If teams asked me why in interviews, I'd explain to them that Matt Leinart made a 35 and Dan Marino made a 15, and ask if they had any further questions on the matter.

    I bet you would. I bet with your whole future and the futures of the next 3 or 4 generations of your family on the line, Mr. Big Shot would make an appearance and shut down the show. I bet you'd pull a slick Rob California on the lot of them.

    GTFOH with that.

    I have yet to understand grown men celebrating the failures (or perceived failures, in this case) of young men who entertain us for a living, regardless of their team. I just don't get it.

    ecp3

  • ecp3 said...

    I have yet to understand grown men celebrating the failures (or perceived failures, in this case) of young men who entertain us for a living, regardless of their team. I just don't get it.

    Farts and stupid people have been the bread and butter of comedy since man first crawled from the primordial ooze.

    Que sera, sera.

    Douché!

    bol1484395

  • ecp3 said...

    I bet you would. I bet with your whole future and the futures of the next 3 or 4 generations of your family on the line, Mr. Big Shot would make an appearance and shut down the show. I bet you'd pull a slick Rob California on the lot of them.

    GTFOH with that.

    I have yet to understand grown men celebrating the failures (or perceived failures, in this case) of young men who entertain us for a living, regardless of their team. I just don't get it.

    Really unsure what to make of the tough-guy attitude in your response, but I'm sticking to it. You mean to tell me teams don't care when quarterbacks don't throw or when skill positions don't run, but in this hypothetical scenario where I'm a first round draft pick and I don't take the wonderlic I've doomed four generations of my family?

    "GTFOH with that".

    bhiley77

  • ecp3 said...

    I bet you would. I bet with your whole future and the futures of the next 3 or 4 generations of your family on the line, Mr. Big Shot would make an appearance and shut down the show. I bet you'd pull a slick Rob California on the lot of them.

    GTFOH with that.

    I have yet to understand grown men celebrating the failures (or perceived failures, in this case) of young men who entertain us for a living, regardless of their team. I just don't get it.

    What the fck are you blabbering about?

    manbearpig7

  • bhiley77 said...

    If I were entering the combine, I'd start a trend by refusing to take the Wonderlick. If teams asked me why in interviews, I'd explain to them that Matt Leinart made a 35 and Dan Marino made a 15, and ask if they had any further questions on the matter.

    The wonderlic is just part of the vetting process these teams put these players through. With millions on the line they want to make sure they have taken everything into account.

    If a kid did decide not to take the test then the teams would go with what his reputation for intelligence is. My guess would be that someone smart or average wouldn't have an issue taking the test since its not a make it or break it aspect. But someone below average might be apprehensive about taking it.

    You can also get a pretty good feel for how intelligent someone is while you are interviewing them.

    GSay001

  • GSay001 said...

    The wonderlic is just part of the vetting process these teams put these players through. With millions on the line they want to make sure they have taken everything into account.

    If a kid did decide not to take the test then the teams would go with what his reputation for intelligence is. My guess would be that someone smart or average wouldn't have an issue taking the test since its not a make it or break it aspect. But someone below average might be apprehensive about taking it.

    You can also get a pretty good feel for how intelligent someone is while you are interviewing them.

    This is exactly my point. Top players sit down with almost every team for interviews. Just like teams use their own stopwatches to measure 40 times, they use their own criteria for determining intelligence.

    If in this hypothetical scenario where I'm a top prospect who refused to take the Wonderlic, I'd explain to teams that I'm not a fan of the process by which every year they claim scores won't leak this time, and every year they get leaked for the sole purpose of having talking heads ridicule the low scorers while simultaneously pointing out high scores are irrelevant. I'd follow by saying that if there was any lingering doubt as to my intelligence I'd be happy to make my transcripts available to them, give my thoughts on current affairs, etc.

    bhiley77

  • I took it a little more to heart because I know how nervous some of these guys are, and I am friends with more than a few that went through the process. Some of these guys literally know nothing else other than football, and have been groomed to be NFL players since they were 12 in the same manner I was groomed to run a family business. If you slapped m in IBM in a cubicle, I'd be toast. Similarly, if I had a job interview at IBM to be a new Executive Vice President of Operations, and they wanted me to take a personality test, and I said "Bill Gates is an agoraphobic nerd and his net worth is higher than the national GDP of over 30 nations. I'm not taking your test because I don't think it matters," I would expect to get passed over, and probably also expect to get blackballed in other interviews as well. The hypothetical scenario doesn't exactly scream humility, and confidence on the field and cockiness in an interview are at opposite ends of the spectrum in desired traits of a future earner of potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Sorry I came across as a dick. I just didn't agree on the approach. And for clarity the last line of my post regarding relishing in negativity was not meant for you bhriley77, that was just an opinion of sports fans in general. I tend to root against teams, not players.

    ecp3

  • If anyone is interested, you'd have about a 2% chance of getting a 4 or worse if you randomly guessed on every question. That's assuming 50 questions with 5 answer choices, which may not be accurate. So it's really unlikely you'd do that poorly even just putting A for every question.

    More likely that he ran out of time and left half of them blank.

    spasticity

  • spasticity said...

    If anyone is interested, you'd have about a 2% chance of getting a 4 or worse if you randomly guessed on every question. That's assuming 50 questions with 5 answer choices, which may not be accurate. So it's really unlikely you'd do that poorly even just putting A for every question.

    More likely that he ran out of time and left half of them blank.

    Correct. Either the reported score is bullshit (likely), or he literally was just joking around and had fun with the test (unlikely). I have taken this test, it's impossible to get only four quetions right if taking the test seriously. I don't care if you are retarded.

    This post was edited by manbearpig7 on 4/4/2012 at 1:39 PM

    manbearpig7

  • spasticity said...

    If anyone is interested, you'd have about a 2% chance of getting a 4 or worse if you randomly guessed on every question. That's assuming 50 questions with 5 answer choices, which may not be accurate. So it's really unlikely you'd do that poorly even just putting A for every question.

    More likely that he ran out of time and left half of them blank.

    I have had to take it twice and if I recall correctly some questions had 5 choices and some had 8 but most had 5. Again I took it in July 2010 so it's been a while.

    GSay001

  • ecp3 said...

    I took it a little more to heart because I know how nervous some of these guys are, and I am friends with more than a few that went through the process. Some of these guys literally know nothing else other than football, and have been groomed to be NFL players since they were 12 in the same manner I was groomed to run a family business. If you slapped m in IBM in a cubicle, I'd be toast. Similarly, if I had a job interview at IBM to be a new Executive Vice President of Operations, and they wanted me to take a personality test, and I said "Bill Gates is an agoraphobic nerd and his net worth is higher than the national GDP of over 30 nations. I'm not taking your test because I don't think it matters," I would expect to get passed over, and probably also expect to get blackballed in other interviews as well. The hypothetical scenario doesn't exactly scream humility, and confidence on the field and cockiness in an interview are at opposite ends of the spectrum in desired traits of a future earner of potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Sorry I came across as a dick. I just didn't agree on the approach. And for clarity the last line of my post regarding relishing in negativity was not meant for you bhriley77, that was just an opinion of sports fans in general. I tend to root against teams, not players.

    No worries bro, I just figured you had too much coffee this morning.

    I think what makes your example of a business interview apples-and-oranges to the NFL interview process is that in the latter its extremely commonplace to decline some components of the interview. As I said earlier, top QBs refuse to throw more often then they don't, players push back drills to their pro day or not at all, etc. In fact, I'd bet that literally every component of the combine has been declined by somebody except the Wonderlic.

    It seems in the fallout of Mo Claiborne having to defend himself from charges he's a drooling moron who can't read that there's talk of agents advising their clients not to take it. I'll be interested to see if this ever happens.

    bhiley77

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