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God, give me patience today. If given strength I may beat someone to death.
Funny that you guys read about this big round-up and automatically assume that LEO are NOT fighting other crimes, including violent crimes or hard drugs. All of the "waste of tax money" and "should go fight real crime" stuff is pretty funny to me. So because they bust up a lot of pot heads and pot sellers, I guess they're just turning a blind eye to the other stuff going on....right?
This arrest, for some of the minor weed offenses, could be the best thing to ever happen to some of these kids. Ruining their life? An arrest for POM II can cause a lot of people from gateway'ing into more serious drugs. Happens all the time. Plus, if anyone is ruining their lives, they're the ones responsible for it because they got caught doing something illegal. Today was a very, VERY necessary action. You guys don't have a clue.
"We're modern-day gladiators, and that mental toughness is really important to have in a good team." Nick Saban
Anyone arguing about legalization of pot needs to read this. These folks were arrested for committing a crime. Nothing more, nothing less. Their choice, their consequence. Whether or not pot is legal or not is totally missing the point here. I personally don't care. The refusal to accept personal responsibility, regardless of your views on pot, is why this country is falling further behind each and every day.
And for the goofballs of you that are mad at the cops for "preying" on the "innocent" victims, get a clue. They were doing their job. It wasn't a waste of taxpayer money, because they're getting paid whether they sit at the station all day or if they, perish the thought, are investigating crime and making arrests based off of these investigations. Those of you who think they should've been busting meth labs, cocaine dealers, etc.??? They do that as well, everyday. So get off of your high horse about what the cops should or should not be doing. Again, what they were doing was their job.
Okay, I'll bite: people who commit crimes -- thereby refusing to accept personal responsibility -- are the reason the US is (I guess?) becoming the Slothocratic Republic of Turdsilvania. If you want to change argumentation venues, I'm game.
I suppose it's beyond the scope of this BOL thread to discuss exactly who ELSE in this country is guilty of evading personal responsibility (i.e., bankers behind the financial collapse who reaped huge bonuses, priests who are protected from sexual abuse accusations by institutional fiat, special interests circumnavigating gross and egregious environmental violations via backroom lobbying, half of Congress, etc.) but is avoiding prosecution by dint of, I dunno, manifest destiny or whatever? Surely, college students and the underclasses are more often prosecuted because they are demonstrably more guilty of responsibility-dodging.
I guess I want to offer a few rejoinders on behalf of the goofballs (which I hope you meant as a clever drug pun -- as in, quoth Chief Wiggum, "hopped up on..." -- though I doubt it).
Yes: marijuana sale and possession is illegal. This is at best hypocritical and at worst logically, ethically, and morally indefensible.
Yes: these people were arrested for committing a crime. We have a thing called "America" because we, at some point, valued proactive, introspective evaluation of legislation in re: a theoretical social contract, perhaps recognizing victimless "criminality" as ambiguous, dynamic, and contingent upon contemporary context.
Yes: cops were (and are) doing their job, and doing it quite well. Taxpayer money, however, is spent as well on the criminal prosecution of, and long-term prison housing for, weed dealers. Leaving aside arguments that prison, for non-violent offenders, is a crucible that hardens and violently educates, your tax money is right now paying for the food and bed of someone who smoked marijuana and is now an extended-stay guest of the state.
Yes: this country is falling further behind, but only because we refuse to criminalize escalators or to assign public school substitute teaching jobs like jury duty.
MOTHER OF GOD.....
Since we're discussing drugs (and I'm not trying to use this to portray pot as being a "lesser evil", just for discussion), the real problem in this country is pill abuse. I am not surprised the least anymore when I hear about someone being hooked on pills. So many people pop lortabs and aderol and similiar things nowdays that it is really sad.
Wow. Just wow. Beautiful argument. You hit all the talking points really, really well and I applaud you for your apparent vast knowledge of the legal system. However, you saw my opinion and, since it differed form yours, you simply launched into an unnecessary tirade without thinking about what I said.
I didn't say that "only" these poor, poor pot smokers are the only ones guilty of trying to evade personal responsibility, thereby causing the ruin of our once great country. I thought I was grouping everyone who evades personal responsibility into the same net when I said "The refusal to accept personal responsibility, regardless of your views on pot, is why this country is falling further behind each and every day." I don't care what crime you commit, whether it be white-collar, pedophilia, drug-dealing, whatever. If you commit a crime, get caught, and get busted, don't start whining about these "archaic" laws when you get busted for it and then go about finger pointing why other people "deserve" to be arrested and prosecuted first.
My whole argument is not about pot, and/or the legality of it. My argument is that our society as a whole has gone off the deep end when it comes to personal choice and the consequences of those personal choices. To reiterate, I am not concerned with the legality of pot. You want to make it legal, call your congressman. I'm not going to smoke it either way, and I'm sure my idiot cousin will continue to smoke it either way. Makes no difference to me. I simply wish people would take ownership of their choices and stop screaming from the rooftops about why it isn't right when those choices cause adverse results to them. But I'm sure I'm just an "intellectual lemming" for having this opinion.
Is anyone arguing that it is smart to risk jail time to get high? I don't think so. It's just tragic that a group of people can decide take away the freedom of other individuals to participate in something that has no effect on anyone but the individuals themselves. And please explain these adverse results you speak of?
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This post was edited by thecrisp 14 months ago
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There still hasn't been a single negative thing said about marijuana in this thread that isn't also true, if not doubly so, of free and legal alcohol. The closest anybody has come has been to point out their currently isn't a reliable system for determining DUI, which is being worked out by the courts in WA and CO as we speak.
Also, marijuana has been de-facto legal in California for a long time, since at least the early 90's when the medical marijuana law was passed. Funny how the entire high tech industry continues to thrive -- wouldn't it have made more sense for these industries to move to Alabama, where the people aren't lazy potheads?
Alcohol and cigarettes are an unfair comparison, because they have reached the point of use where people will not accept the laws and will not comply with them. They're legal not because they aren't dangerous, because it's impractical to make them illegal, so please stop comparing their dangers to pot.
As to people angry that people who sell pot are being arrested, would you feel the same if they were arrested for counterfeiting? It's not a big deal to sell fake Chinese goods, or producing fake bills. But, it's illegal, and it's unfair to others if you make money doing it when you aren't supposed to. Even if you assume that there is nothing wrong with pot, people are still making money by putting an illegal good on the market, no different than someone selling copies of their CDs so they can fund their music habit. Fake CDs do no harm themselves, but they are banned for broad policy reasons, and I think we all understand why its illegal to sell them. This really is no different. If you want to do something illegal to make a dime, you best be willing to do the time.
Wow. You have literally made the exact argument that Colorado and Washington are using FOR LEGALIZATION of marijuana. Yet somehow have the exact opposite conclusion. If the people of Alabama feel that marijuana should remain illegal, so be it. But other states feel the opposite. Hence why the federal government needs to allow the states to decide for themselves.
And if you remember, they tried to make alcohol illegal. Marijuana didn't have use in European cultures that immigrated, so its use didn't become common until much later on.
But a big reason you don't have the violence from the marijuana prohibition that you do the alcohol prohibition, people that are high don't start many fights. The only things I want to beat when high are either some drums or some tail.
This post was edited by Ashevillain 14 months ago
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