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  • FLOBama said...

    It's addictive! I am a substance abuse counselor and I see people everyday addicted to marijuana. When you are about to lose kids, spouse, or go to prison if you fail a drug test and you still pop for weed, then you are addicted!

    It's as addictive as food, sex, video games, tv, or anything else people enjoy doing. Should we ban chocolate or butter because of all if the fat people in this country? Should we ban sex for non procreation purposes?

    Just because someone is weak willed, is it the fault of the vice? Of course not. I don't smoke anymore with any regularity, but every few months, if I'm in the mood and something smells good, I'll take a puff. Then i won't do it again for a while. Why? I'm not weak willed. Stone people may smoke street work everyday, and that's fine, i don't hood it against them. Particularly if they take care of their family, and business at

    Anything can be mentally addictive. But weed is not the same as meth or crack As a drug counselor, you should know that. How many people can't sick too their diets when they are 100 pounds overweight?

    We say we live in the freest country in the world. But that's not always the case. The funny thing is, when i was in high school in florida, it was much easier to get weed than beer. Why? The drug dealer didn't check id. And he also had other stuff for sale. Proper regulation would be significantly better at keep drugs out of children's hands.

    Ashevillain

  • Wakeboarder14 said...

    Some stoner will find a way to argue this point. Watch.

    Not a stoner, just an occasional smoker. Have any other aspect you want to talk about? The wasted tax resources? The lost tax revenue perhaps?

    The funny thing is, the only people who want it to remain illegal are the ignorant and the suppliers.

    Ashevillain

  • Wakeboarder14 said...

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

    I think your the misinformed one. Smoke weed for ten years. Obviously, if you smokes that long, you enjoy it. It's gonna suck, but you won't be twitching or vomiting for days.
    Now smoke crack, eat painkillers, or shoot heroin for ten years. There's a huge difference.

    Ashevillain

  • I'm not a doctor and I know nothing about drug use but any argument between addicts/stoners vs drug counselors and I'm siding with the drug counselor every time. Why would I listen to stoners making excuses for why they won't put the stuff down for good?

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  • UA_Tide said...

    I wonder how many of you saying weed is addictive and implying it should be illegal occassionally or regularly drink alcohol.

    I'm certain it's the vast majority.

    Ashevillain

  • Ashevillain said...

    Not a stoner, just an occasional smoker. Have any other aspect you want to talk about? The wasted tax resources? The lost tax revenue perhaps?

    The funny thing is, the only people who want it to remain illegal are the ignorant and the suppliers.

    I never said it should be illegal.

    Wakeboarder14

  • bamabum5 said...

    I'm not a doctor and I know nothing about drug use but any argument between addicts/stoners vs drug counselors and I'm siding with the drug counselor every time. Why would I listen to stoners making excuses for why they won't put the stuff down for good?

    Then i guess we should ban fatty foods too. I've i know a ton of people with giant assess that don't seem to get any smaller. Since some people can't stop eating cake, then none should have cake.

    Since some people are alcoholics, we should ban alcohol too.

    Since some people can't stay of BOL and post fifty times a day, we should shut down the site.

    Ashevillain

  • bamabum5 said...

    I'm not a doctor and I know nothing about drug use but any argument between addicts/stoners vs drug counselors and I'm siding with the drug counselor every time. Why would I listen to stoners making excuses for why they won't put the stuff down for good?

    Sorry, but that makes zero sense. The counselor offered a flimsy, textbook "correlation=causation" argument, not any particular insight whatsoever.

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  • Wakeboarder14 said...

    I never said it should be illegal.

    Okay, i must have mistaken one of your post with anothers.

    So, do you think weed is more addictive than sweets? Is it more addictive than sex? Is weed more addictive than porn? How about alcohol?

    It'd be nice to get the counselors opinion on these questions.

    Ashevillain

  • Ashevillain said...

    I think your the misinformed one. Smoke weed for ten years. Obviously, if you smokes that long, you enjoy it. It's gonna suck, but you won't be twitching or vomiting for days. Now smoke crack, eat painkillers, or shoot heroin for ten years. There's a huge difference.

    yes, the physical withdrawal is VERY different. But, the mental and psychological "need" for that smoke, that pill, that drink, that "touch", that di*k, that v*gina, that rush, that food, that candy, that coffee, etc., is ALL there. We are all wired differently and while some can just "put it down" and walk away, never to touch it again, there are many of us who cannot. It leaves feelings of dysphoria, of suicidal depression, of anhedonia, of "just wanting to die". The psychological part of withdrawal of ANYTHING is the hardest part that we as a human race have yet to get a hold of.

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  • bamabum5 said...

    I'm not a doctor and I know nothing about drug use but any argument between addicts/stoners vs drug counselors and I'm siding with the drug counselor every time. Why would I listen to stoners making excuses for why they won't put the stuff down for good?

    For future reference, in case you ever find yourself in a situation where it matters, find out if the drug counselor in question speaks from personal experience or has been trained in a classroom. If it is the latter, take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm not saying they're always wrong but anytime their opinion and that of someone who has been through the ringer differs, the educated counselor is almost always wrong.

    Wakeboarder14

  • bamabum5 said...

    I'm not a doctor and I know nothing about drug use but any argument between addicts/stoners vs drug counselors and I'm siding with the drug counselor every time. Why would I listen to stoners making excuses for why they won't put the stuff down for good?

    Who says I'm an addict our a stoner. I'm just a guy who will smoke weed every one and a while. Probably far less than you drink beer or liquor.

    So if you drink a beer at a party, should i call you a drunk? Of course not. I'm just a hard working, educated libertarian that thinks it's stupid that the government wastes our tax dollars enforcing a law that is absurd. I've known good people get into the system over this, and i think it needs to end.

    Ashevillain

  • Ashevillain said...

    Okay, i must have mistaken one of your post with anothers.

    So, do you think weed is more addictive than sweets? Is it more addictive than sex? Is weed more addictive than porn? How about alcohol?

    It'd be nice to get the counselors opinion on these questions.

    Nah. I think it is equally addictive. Some folks smoke weed without getting addicted just like others pound vag without getting addicted but to say neither can lead certain people to a place they choose it over all else is ignorant. Lots of people play with heroin and put it away but, like everything else, some people take it too far and it rules their life. Weed certainly does that to people.

    Wakeboarder14

  • FLOBama said...

    It's addictive! I am a substance abuse counselor and I see people everyday addicted to marijuana. When you are about to lose kids, spouse, or go to prison if you fail a drug test and you still pop for weed, then you are addicted!

    You're confusing an addict for a loser. People who go to prison do so because they made poor choices, and will almost always make poor choices, because they are losers. Just because they smoke weed in addition to being a waste to society is irrelevant. It's laughable that you think your co-workers and upper mgmt don't smoke. Ever hear of Steve Jobs? Or maybe for us southerns, Ted Turner?

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  • Wakeboarder14 said...

    For future reference, in case you ever find yourself in a situation where it matters, find out if the drug counselor in question speaks from personal experience or has been trained in a classroom. If it is the latter, take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm not saying they're always wrong but anytime their opinion and that of someone who has been through the ringer differs, the educated counselor is almost always wrong.

    Could not agree more with this one. The "counselors" who have not been through it are worthless. Yes, worthless.

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  • crimsonbleeder said...

    yes, the physical withdrawal is VERY different. But, the mental and psychological "need" for that smoke, that pill, that drink, that "touch", that di*k, that v*gina, that rush, that food, that candy, that coffee, etc., is ALL there. We are all wired differently and while some can just "put it down" and walk away, never to touch it again, there are many of us who cannot. It leaves feelings of dysphoria, of suicidal depression, of anhedonia, of "just wanting to die". The psychological part of withdrawal of ANYTHING is the hardest part that we as a human race have yet to get a hold of.

    I agree, and there is no doubt a element of psychical addiction to marijuana,.our anything for that matter.

    Maybe I've confused an addiction debate or a legalization debate.

    I just know it's much easier to get drugs from a drug dealer than beer from a grocery store (except maybe here in louisiana). I'd rather see it legalized, taxed, and used to finance roads, education, or blows jobs for the elderly than to continue to waste money enforcing a law that causes more harm to society than benefits it creates.

    Ashevillain

  • To the huy who says "mental addiction isnt real", You are clearly ignorant on this topic. Psychological dependence is taught in every medical school in this country and is absolutely a form of "addiction". It has a biochemical basis just as physical dependence does, albeit a different pathway. I am not hating on smokers because, aside from abiding by the laws of a land, I don't find it ethically wrong to smoke so long as it doesn't impinge on others, but your argument that psychological dependence isn't real is about as far from the facts as possible.

    This post was edited by Bama2006 on 4/23/2012 at 7:08 PM

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  • Ashevillain said...

    Who says I'm an addict our a stoner. I'm just a guy who will smoke weed every one and a while. Probably far less than you drink beer or liquor.

    So if you drink a beer at a party, should i call you a drunk? Of course not. I'm just a hard working, educated libertarian that thinks it's stupid that the government wastes our tax dollars enforcing a law that is absurd. I've known good people get into the system over this, and i think it needs to end.

    Yessir! I agree... To think that MJ is worse than Alcohol or cigarettes is a HORRIBLE lie we've all been brainwashed in by the big money Budweisers and Phillip Morris's of the world. Not that I'm "against" any of it, just the "holier than thou" "I'm better than you because I "only" smoke tobacco and you smoke weed (or pop pills, or [fill in the blank])" crap...

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  • Wakeboarder14 said...

    Nah. I think it is equally addictive. Some folks smoke weed without getting addicted just like others pound vag without getting addicted but to say neither can lead certain people to a place they choose it over all else is ignorant. Lots of people play with heroin and put it away but, like everything else, some people take it too far and it rules their life. Weed certainly does that to people.

    True. But i think butter and high fructose corn syrup have caused more harm to society than marijuana. And forpepper that get high all day everyday, and can't put out down? Somebody has to pick up three garbage in front of our houses, and I'm not gonna do it.

    Ashevillain

  • Bama2006 said...

    You are clearly ignorant on this topic. Psychological dependence is taught in every medical school in this country and is absolutely a form of "addiction". It has a biochemical basis just as physical dependence does, albeit a different pathway. I am not hating on smokers because, aside from abiding by the laws of a land, I don't find it ethically wrong to smoke so long as it doesn't impinge on others, but your argument that psychological dependence Ian real is about as far from the facts as possible.

    "Ian real"? Was that guy in the last "Die Hard" movie???

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  • Bama2006 said...

    To the huy who says "mental addiction isnt real", You are clearly ignorant on this topic. Psychological dependence is taught in every medical school in this country and is absolutely a form of "addiction". It has a biochemical basis just as physical dependence does, albeit a different pathway. I am not hating on smokers because, aside from abiding by the laws of a land, I don't find it ethically wrong to smoke so long as it doesn't impinge on others, but your argument that psychological dependence isn't real is about as far from the facts as possible.

    Anything that is fun or feels can have psychologically addictive properties, but saying marijuana should be illegal because it's addictive is a bullshyte reason. If we ban everything because of psychologically addictive reasons, then we might as well be amish.

    Ashevillain

  • Ashevillain said...

    Anything that is fun or feels can have psychologically addictive properties, but saying marijuana should be illegal because it's addictive is a bullshyte reason. If we ban everything because of psychologically addictive reasons, then we might as well be amish.

    My point wasn't to say that weed should be illegal, but rather to state that psychological dependence as a biochemical foundation that is very real and furthermore, that marijuana has been linked to with clear clinical evidence that any cursory search of Pubmed would illustrate. Other forms of "fun" have been linked or, in many cases, have not, to other biochemical and metabolic pathways. Where to draw a legal line in the sand was not and is not my intention.

    Bama2006

  • Ashevillain said...

    I agree, and there is no doubt a element of psychical addiction to marijuana,.our anything for that matter.

    Maybe I've confused an addiction debate or a legalization debate.

    I just know it's much easier to get drugs from a drug dealer than beer from a grocery store (except maybe here in louisiana). I'd rather see it legalized, taxed, and used to finance roads, education, or blows jobs for the elderly than to continue to waste money enforcing a law that causes more harm to society than benefits it creates.

    See, you "legalize it" types lose me every time here. I'm fine with legalizing it or not. If pressed, I'd lean a little toward legalizing it, but as soon as you say "so we can tax it", I'm out. The government has too many revenue streams as it is. They need to be shedding them, not adding more. I swear, if marijuana advocates had half a brain, it probably would be legal, but none of you have the ability to make a sensible argument so it is never going to happen.

    Wakeboarder14

  • drawstrang said...

    You're confusing an addict for a loser. People who go to prison do so because they made poor choices, and will almost always make poor choices, because they are losers. Just because they smoke weed in addition to being a waste to society is irrelevant. It's laughable that you think your co-workers and upper mgmt don't smoke. Ever hear of Steve Jobs? Or maybe for us southerns, Ted Turner?

    Steve is dead and Ted is going though a divorce, You're point is? If they got caught with weed they would be in jail too, except Steve hes dead.

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