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So let me get this straight......

  • I just want to make sure I have all the facts before making my assumptions.

    If a man knowingly does NOT speak up when he KNOWS for a fact that little boys have been raped for YEARS and he does absolutely NOTHING to make of stop. Spare me the, he spoke with the administration ONE time maybe twice about it speech. He should have seen it through. Also, don't try the it is easy to be critical, you don't know how you would have acted. Save that for the Marky marks of the world when referring to the highjacking on 9/11 (if you don't know, Marky mark said he would have over thrown the highjackers and landed the plane safely).

    Joepa knew boys were being raped and did nothing. Never saw it through. And never made sure sandusky was put in prison. But because he was a good football coach for the same team for a long time. This board thinks he should be praised? Am I getting this right?

    That should put things into perspective for some of you on this board. You are praising a man who knew about boys being raped and he looked the other way.

    What's that saying again. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should add an asterisk there that reads as long as he is a football coach we will over look that whole protecting a child rapist thing, besides he coached against the Bear.

    Which is worse? Performing an evil action or knowing an evil action is occuring and doing nothing about it.

    Some people on this board make me sick.

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    tuskstider ●

  • Serious question how long did this take you to type on a cell phone?

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    clayton4rtr ●

  • I'll take the high road when speaking about someone that has passed on. You would have to be dead yourself or worse not a college football fan to realize that Joe did many great things for many people. Sure...he failed miserably in one area. We all know that. Is it enough to erase the good. Not sure but it comes close. I just want to remember the good in all things. Except of course when it comes to aubren.

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  • tuskstider said...

    I just want to make sure I have all the facts before making my assumptions.

    If a man knowingly does NOT speak up when he KNOWS for a fact that little boys have been raped for YEARS and he does absolutely NOTHING to make of stop. Spare me the, he spoke with the administration ONE time maybe twice about it speech. He should have seen it through. Also, don't try the it is easy to be critical, you don't know how you would have acted. Save that for the Marky marks of the world when referring to the highjacking on 9/11 (if you don't know, Marky mark said he would have over thrown the highjackers and landed the plane safely).

    Joepa knew boys were being raped and did nothing. Never saw it through. And never made sure sandusky was put in prison. But because he was a good football coach for the same team for a long time. This board thinks he should be praised? Am I getting this right?

    That should put things into perspective for some of you on this board. You are praising a man who knew about boys being raped and he looked the other way.

    What's that saying again. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should add an asterisk there that reads as long as he is a football coach we will over look that whole protecting a child rapist thing, besides he coached against the Bear.

    Which is worse? Performing an evil action or knowing an evil action is occuring and doing nothing about it.

    Some people on this board make me sick.

    I guarantee you that people on this board would have a different attitude about it if he were a Bama man. Most of you people want to give Joe Pa a pass while throwing the book at a Bama fan who played a drunken prank. Do you realize how sick that makes you? Seriously, you're more pissed at Downing for embarrassing you than you are at Joe Pa for allowing kids to get raped. You are ALL embarrassments to the University.

    This post was edited by Sosa98 on 1/23/2012 at 9:46 AM

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  • I can't argue with your post. I think that in seeing many of the posts to JoePa here are very much a function that were we all raised to admire him and it is difficult to accept what has transpired in the last few months, though the facts are right there in front of us. Please try to remember that the people on this board are just normal folks, and it is hard for the normal brain to process the evil that occured under his watch. I am not making excuses for JoePa, he is answering to his maker right now, but I hope that you can be forgiving of the people on this board.

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  • I think more of you need to realize that it really doesn't matter what other people think about a situation. This isn't like politics where a decision could affect you personally. No matter what your feelings, quit trying to change other people's opinions on the matter because it's getting kind of old reading these posts on here. I don't give a damn what you, or anyone else thinks about this because it's not going to change how i feel...so just stop.

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  • Bama2212 said...

    I'll take the high road when speaking about someone that has passed on. You would have to be dead yourself or worse not a college football fan to realize that Joe did many great things for many people. Sure...he failed miserably in one area. We all know that. Is it enough to erase the good. Not sure but it comes close. I just want to remember the good in all things. Except of course when it comes to aubren.

    That 'one area' is a pretty big one that IMO and to some people out there completely erases anything he ever did. I'm not putting him down but I sure as hell am not putting him on a pedestal either.

    I do agree w/ you about looking at the positive side of things though.

    R0LLTIDE

  • clayton4rtr said...

    Serious question how long did this take you to type on a cell phone?

    A long time. Kept autocorrecting as well

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    tuskstider ●

  • tuskstider said...

    A long time. Kept autocorrecting as well

    I hate autocorrect!!! Pisses me off

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    clayton4rtr ●

  • tuskstider said...

    I just want to make sure I have all the facts before making my assumptions.

    If a man knowingly does NOT speak up when he KNOWS for a fact that little boys have been raped for YEARS and he does absolutely NOTHING to make of stop. Spare me the, he spoke with the administration ONE time maybe twice about it speech. He should have seen it through. Also, don't try the it is easy to be critical, you don't know how you would have acted. Save that for the Marky marks of the world when referring to the highjacking on 9/11 (if you don't know, Marky mark said he would have over thrown the highjackers and landed the plane safely).

    Joepa knew boys were being raped and did nothing. Never saw it through. And never made sure sandusky was put in prison. But because he was a good football coach for the same team for a long time. This board thinks he should be praised? Am I getting this right?

    That should put things into perspective for some of you on this board. You are praising a man who knew about boys being raped and he looked the other way.

    What's that saying again. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. We should add an asterisk there that reads as long as he is a football coach we will over look that whole protecting a child rapist thing, besides he coached against the Bear.

    Which is worse? Performing an evil action or knowing an evil action is occuring and doing nothing about it.

    Some people on this board make me sick.

    How would you respond if someone you barely knew came to you and told you that your best friend was raping little boys? I know it's easy for us to look at it from a distance and say what we would have done... but the truth is that NONE OF US have a clue how we would have reacted in that situation.

    Joe Pa did more good, and changed more lives in his tenure at Penn State than we'll ever know. That number is literally in the thousands...

    And it's a crying shame that we have a bunch of titty babies willing to throw all of that good out of the window because he didn't "Do more" about a situation that he never had first hand knowledge of.

    Get off your high horse.

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  • Bama2212 said...

    I'll take the high road when speaking about someone that has passed on. You would have to be dead yourself or worse not a college football fan to realize that Joe did many great things for many people. Sure...he failed miserably in one area. We all know that. Is it enough to erase the good. Not sure but it comes close. I just want to remember the good in all things. Except of course when it comes to aubren.

    Whoa whoa whoa. So let me get this straight. Being a football coach protects you from doing nothing and essentially protecting a child rapists. Are you effing kidding me?

    Why don't you go say that to the victims and the victims families.

    Would love to hear that convo. Son you were raped correct? Yes I was. Well get over it. He was a football coach.

    Awesome. I bet you make an awesome parent as well

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  • Joe Paterno never witnessed a rape. Everything he got was from a graduate assistant. (Mike McQueary)

    Why did Mike McQueary not go to the police? If he actually witnessed a rape of a 10 year-old, why did he go to Joe Paterno? What would you do?

    If a co-worker was accused of something like this, would you immediately go to the police, or report it to your supervisor?

    What did Joe Paterno do wrong? He witnessed nothing and followed Penn State procedure. The blame belongs with the actual witness (McQueary) and the Penn State administration.

    What happened was horrible, but I am unsure how the fault lies with Joe Paterno.

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  • Does this seem eerily similar to all the catholic priest molestations that came out a few years ago to anyone

    Crimson Duck

  • del taki said...

    I think more of you need to realize that it really doesn't matter what other people think about a situation. This isn't like politics where a decision could affect you personally. No matter what your feelings, quit trying to change other people's opinions on the matter because it's getting kind of old reading these posts on here. I don't give a damn what you, or anyone else thinks about this because it's not going to change how i feel...so just stop.

    Then don't post in my thread if you don't care

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  • Bleedscrimson said...

    How would you respond if someone you barely knew came to you and told you that your best friend was raping little boys? I know it's easy for us to look at it from a distance and say what we would have done... but the truth is that NONE OF US have a clue how we would have reacted in that situation.

    Joe Pa did more good, and changed more lives in his tenure at Penn State than we'll ever know. That number is literally in the thousands...

    And it's a crying shame that we have a bunch of titty babies willing to throw all of that good out of the window because he didn't "Do more" about a situation that he never had first hand knowledge of.

    Get off your high horse.

    So being upset with someone who never followed up with someone who witnessed a rape and knew that a man had inappropriate relationship with young boys is "being on my high horse"

    Haha you are completely pathetic. Seriously, reevaluate your life

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    DrHartman

  • Dr. Hartman said...

    The f-ing truth.

    I don't give a rat's ass what your opinion of JoePa is. If you choose to remember him for the fact that he didn't "go far enough" with the Sandusky error, good for you. That's great. If you want to remember that we're all human and make mistakes and that the man did a lot of good for a lot of people for a lot of years, fan-freaking-tastic, good for you too.

    Again. Get out of my thread if you don't care

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  • tuskstider said...

    Again. Get out of my thread if you don't care

    Or, get in one of the dozens that's been going on about this instead of starting your own...

    Because, obviously I do care about the topic, but just don't care for your "preaching" about how the man should be detested, and then calling everybody sick who doesn't agree with you.

    This post was edited by DrHartman on 1/23/2012 at 10:03 AM

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  • R0LLTIDE said...

    That 'one area' is a pretty big one that IMO and to some people out there completely erases anything he ever did. I'm not putting him down but I sure as hell am not putting him on a pedestal either.

    I do agree w/ you about looking at the positive side of things though.

    Trust me. I realize what he did. It disgusts me. It should disgust everyone. I just feel heartache over it for his family.

    The most disgusting thing of all is the release of Sandusky's thoughts about the death. I mean come on. Is this guy orbiting the earth?

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    Bama2212 ●

  • Bleedscrimson said...

    How would you respond if someone you barely knew came to you and told you that your best friend was raping little boys? I know it's easy for us to look at it from a distance and say what we would have done... but the truth is that NONE OF US have a clue how we would have reacted in that situation.

    Where in the world were you going with that question?? I would turn anyone, ANYONE, in that was doing that. If you wouldn't then you deserve to go to jail too. And you would.

    KingBammer

  • Dr. Hartman said...

    I believe I heard that McQueary has since said that he didn't tell JoePa the nature of what he saw, so if that's the case, how would JoePa have known to take it further?

    Face it, we don't have all the facts yet in this case, and there's a chance we never will, so any condemnation of JoePa is premature.

    Um......you are trying to take that road? Seriously? The report to that AG said he had a meeting with Joepa. Joepa then had a meeting with university officials. Yet nothing was done.

    Again you are taking into the account that he "wad a good man" um last time I checked "good men" would protect children not allow them to be raped by doing nothing.

    I guess your definition of a "good man" and mine are extremely different

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  • was Joe's job to coach football, or do administrative things like firing the perv/alerting the police/etc.?

    And spare me the blah blah false moral high ground that you stand on. Let those without sin cast the first stone.

    Nickchic

  • Dr. Hartman said...

    Or, get in one of the dozens that's been going on about this instead of starting your own...

    Because, obviously I do care about the topic, but just don't care for your "preaching" about how the man should be detested, and then calling everybody sick who doesn't agree with you.

    No apparently you are not a doctor or you would have been able to follow what I said with ease. I said people who are defending a child rapist protector by using the "he did so many good things as a FOOTBALL coach" are sick.

    Letting someone skip blame because they are a football coach are sick

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